Forum AmigaOne Zone :: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?

[16:59:24] ŤModeť Kelli217 changes channel modes to moderated
[16:59:26] <Kelli217> Welcome to yet another Amigans of Note Q&A here in the Team*Amiga chat.
[16:59:57] <Kelli217> Today, we have Trevor Dickinson of A-EON.
[17:00:59] <Kelli217> He should be joining us any second now...
[17:01:20] --> TrevorDick (~TrevorD@222-153-147-228.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined this channel.
[17:01:47] <Valiant> Welcome, Trevor
[17:01:51] <Kelli217> There he is! Trevor, please say a few rods, and then we'll start in with the questions.
[17:02:18] <JimS> welcom
[17:02:29] <Kelli217> words, not rods
[17:02:43] ŤVoiceť Kelli217 gives voice to TrevorDick
[17:02:46] <TrevorDick> I thought I would have to cancel because of the earthqukes ..so if I suddenly disappeare
[17:03:40] <TrevorDick> OK I'm already to go - first question please
[17:03:48] <Kelli217> Sorry, I was a bit slow giving you voice...
[17:04:04] <Kelli217> Okay, first question: <bike> Can you tell us what the expected price is for the AmigaOne x2000 aka Cyrus?
[17:04:56] <TrevorDick> Good question..it is so early in the development cycle to provide an answer.
[17:05:13] <TrevorDick> If you followed the Nemo development you will know what I mean.
[17:05:55] <TrevorDick> Although we hope the 2Ghx model will come in under the A1-X1000 pricining, there is no guarantee
[17:05:59] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:06:15] <Kelli217> <bike> Can you tell us about the differences between the freescale 5020 and 5040 cpu? And in what kind of a process was that cpu chosen over others?
[17:06:48] <TrevorDick> bothe Freescale CPUs from the same stable
[17:07:14] <TrevorDick> 5020 Freescale have comitted to a long term 10 year support
[17:07:42] <TrevorDick> Price & performance a consideration
[17:08:44] <TrevorDick> 5020 dual core, 5040 quad core but price and real availability still an unknown
[17:08:53] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:09:22] <Kelli217> Ok, everybody hold off on your questions, we have a serious backlog already. The next question is...
[17:09:38] <Kelli217> <bike> Will it be a complete system as the x1000 or available as a DIY, motherboard only?
[17:10:22] <TrevorDick> As I said very early in the development cycle.. I prefer complete systems, Matthew prefers both boards and systems.
[17:10:26] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:10:53] <Kelli217> <bike> What are the requirements to enter the beta program?
[17:11:20] <TrevorDick> Again too early ... do I sound like a broken record?
[17:11:24] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:11:29] <Kelli217> <bike> Anything more you can tell us that is not already known about the project, differences in the xena/xmos for instance. What does the fpga do?
[17:12:05] <TrevorDick> All I can say is it will have a Xena/Xorro combination.
[17:12:08] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:13:02] <Kelli217> Combined question: <bike> What is the current state of AmigaOS4.2 with regards to supporting the X2000? <vox> Do you expect AmigaOS 4.2 and OpenOffice and Timberwolf ports to be done by the time Cyrus will be availiable?
[17:13:46] <TrevorDick> Your questions should be really directed to Hyperiion with regards to AmigaOS 4.2
[17:14:26] <TrevorDick> We want 4.2 for the AmigaONE X1000 - it is currently be used to develope the code.

[17:15:20] <TrevorDick> I presume you mean Libre Office? That is an A-EON funded project and timescales depend on the developers main OS4 workload
[17:15:38] <TrevorDick> Timberwolf is not one of our projects at the moment
[17:15:41] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:16:09] <Kelli217> Humorous question: <bike> On the Cyrus board theres the text - " BOOT SD REMOVE AT THE RISK OF DEATH " - Will this be used a sales pitch?
[17:16:18] <TrevorDick> :-)
[17:17:11] <TrevorDick> It was actually quite funny...the engineers placed that on the board but the Varisys director's did not know until they showed us the board a week or so ago.
[17:17:40] <TrevorDick> I thought it was funny ...I'm not sure Adam and Paul were that amused?
[17:17:43] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:17:45] <Kelli217> <vox> New board will set limit up to 16GB DDR3 RAM (X1000 has 8GB limit?) Do you expect AmigaOS to be able to use this kind of possibility?
[17:18:21] <TrevorDick> Again a question for Hyperion & AmigaOS 4 developers.. but I certainly hope so.
[17:18:25] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:18:47] <Kelli217> Hmm... the next question in my queue is related to that, so I'll skip it... just a moment
[17:19:16] <Kelli217> <vox> Is Cyrus Freescale CPU new ISA previously announced to be supported in AmigaOS 4.2?
[17:19:36] <TrevorDick> As with the Nemo board there are a few Easter eggs on the Cyrus Plus board BTW
[17:19:47] <TrevorDick> yes
[17:19:51] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:19:56] <Kelli217> <vox> e) Will there be more modern XMOS chip onboard (they have recently announced their quad cores, kind of) and what kind of uses do you expect? Will it ever be possible to add more programmable, DSP like, FPGA or similar chips via XORRO?
[17:20:53] <TrevorDick> All good questions. We are now turning our focus to Xena and Xorro issues. Expect some news in the near future... but not 2 more weeks

[17:21:05] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:21:33] <Kelli217> <vox> Since its expected that X2000/4000 will be available longer then X1000 (primarily the CPU choice of PA Semi in past) will we have longer and better PR campaign of "return of AmigaOne top model", and everything that looks like started back in 2010, but not done well enough
[17:22:35] <TrevorDick> Ah.... if you are asking will we be marketing to the wider Computer world no
[17:22:39] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:22:43] <Kelli217> <vox> Now with a great driver, can we have onboard 7.1 sound as standard?
[17:23:05] <TrevorDick> Depends on the hardware.
[17:23:09] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:24:37] <Kelli217> eliyahu TrevorDick: glad to hear everyone in your family in NZ is safe. could you comment on the current state of the contracted W3D drivers? have the friedens already supplied you and/or other testers with initial builds already?
[17:25:15] <TrevorDick> Thanks. We had hoped that we would have had a demo running at the Silicon Dreams show.
[17:26:06] <TrevorDick> Of course this is not an official Hyperion development but a A-EON paid development with the developer. It has proved more difficult than first anticipated.
[17:26:39] <TrevorDick> However, it has helped the Gallium development ..so I suppose that's a bonus for AmigaOS4.2.
[17:27:04] <TrevorDick> Again, the devleoper works on this in his spare time when he is not on OS4 work.
[17:27:13] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:27:14] <Kelli217> <Derfs> so how is the plan for an AmigaOS Laptop coming along!
[17:27:40] <TrevorDick> Interesting question!

[17:27:59] <TrevorDick> Discussions are ongoing... Watch this space.
[17:28:03] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:28:11] <Kelli217> This is probably a Hyperion-focused question, but: <vox> Will Cyrus be fully supported (all onboard components, 3D graphic, 2 or 4 cores) by AmigaOS 4.2?
[17:28:54] <TrevorDick> Yes, you are right it is a developer question..but I would certainly hope so.
[17:28:59] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:29:06] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> on the subject of libreoffice, can you share what quality requirements the port would have to meet prior to release, such as performance metrics, use of native UI gadgets, etc.? any new progress to report?
[17:30:25] <TrevorDick> Fo me it would have to be stable and reliable....otherwise it would not be of much use. We get a weekly update from the developer ... he is squashing bugs!
[17:30:29] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:30:31] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> there have been a great many claims made by roberto dohnert, purveyor of the os/4 openlinux distro, one of which was that he was dealing with you on possible resale opportunities, porting his distro to the X1000, etc. could you comment on what, if any, dealings you have had with mr. dohnert and what plans, if any, you have made with him?
[17:31:26] <TrevorDick> Yes I have been in contact with Roberto. My interest is simply a custom built easy to install Linux distro for the AmigaONE X1000.
[17:31:46] <TrevorDick> I spotted and bloed about the OS4 Linux last year.
[17:33:07] <TrevorDick> However, since we first spoke.. our own team of AmigaONE X1000 specialists have now created a very simple Live DVD install for the A1-X1000 which is as easy as installing Linux to a PC.
[17:33:25] <TrevorDick> The latest improvement even sets up the Boot menu.
[17:33:32] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:33:34] <Kelli217> <Derfs> do all your future plans involve mid to high end hardware, or are you looking at other hardware projects like accelerators, fpga etc?
[17:34:15] <TrevorDick> Good question. We are looking at other developments for both the next-gen and classic markets...both hardware and software..
[17:34:38] <TrevorDick> actually it more than looking we are working on several projects at the moment.

[17:34:42] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:34:50] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> does A-EON plan at any time to introduce a smaller-factor motherboard, such as the original cyrus layout?
[17:36:16] <TrevorDick> We are keeping our options open ,, unfortnately the smaller factor board did not really reduce the cost of manufacture very much ..especially when you factor in NRE
[17:36:38] <TrevorDick> So we decided to concentrate on the larger board for the timebeing.
[17:36:48] <TrevorDick> What the future brings....... ?
[17:36:51] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:36:53] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> does A-EON plan on partnering with acube systems at some point on joint hardware production?
[17:37:40] <TrevorDick> We are currently in discussions with ACube about potentioal future collaboration.
[17:37:43] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:38:00] <Kelli217> EVERYONE: We have MORE than enough questions to complete the hour. Please, no more questions. <eliyahu> does A-EON plan on being at amiwest this year, and do you plan to demo cyrus and/or development builds of AOS running on it?
[17:38:50] <TrevorDick> Yes we will be at AmiWest and I hope Matthew ill be bring AmigaONE X1000 systems to sell.
[17:39:10] <TrevorDick> We will also bring along the prototype Cyrus boards for a look and see.
[17:39:13] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:39:14] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> lastly, a personal question: has your experiences over the past few years bringing the X1000 to market, and continuing to invest in the amiga platform changed your view of the amiga community? would you say you still enjoy the amiga as a hobby more, less, or about the same as you once did?
[17:39:31] <TrevorDick> Difficult question to answer.
[17:40:14] <TrevorDick> I enjoy meeting and talking to fellow Amiga enthusiasts whatever the colour of their OS
[17:40:49] <TrevorDick> I learned to grow a thicker skin and not to react to all the comments
[17:40:59] <TrevorDick> do I still enjoy it?
[17:41:01] <TrevorDick> Yes
[17:41:07] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:41:07] <Kelli217> <Derfs> can you tell us a bit more details about Cyrus - how many PCIe, PCI, USB, 10Gb ethernet? how fast the PCIe slots are? sound provided by external card?
[17:41:57] <TrevorDick> The Cyrus specs will change as we go through the prototype stages and revisions.
[17:42:37] <TrevorDick> We took a concious decision a while back to provide sound with a PCI or PCIe card.
[17:42:48] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:42:51] <Kelli217> <PaulS> can you give an indication of how many boards/machines are out there already?
[17:43:17] <TrevorDick> I've recently answered this question in another interview.
[17:43:36] <TrevorDick> For the A1-X1000 more than 200, less than 2000
[17:45:57] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:46:00] <Kelli217> <stinger> Between hardware makers and OS developers (A-EON/Hyperion), who's responsible for hardware drivers?
[17:46:55] <TrevorDick> With the A1-X1000 originally it was Hyperion. However, the hardware manufacturers are now taking on this responsibility.
[17:46:58] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:47:02] <Kelli217> <Ddni> Warp3D what stage are we at? Gallium 3D what stage are we at?
[17:47:54] <TrevorDick> Gallium 3D ...Hyperion questions.. warp3D works under debug mode but slow....debugging continuing.
[17:47:58] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:48:06] <Kelli217> Here's a more light-hearted question: <Ddni> do you actually like the B52s music?
[17:48:27] <TrevorDick> ah...........can I say no...runs and hides
[17:48:31] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:48:32] <Kelli217> <Ddni> ssolie answered a lot of questions by saying That is an Aeon issue ask them, you have answered a few stating That is a Hyperion question ask them. Is the relationship so tense that you wont comment on each others projects?
[17:49:30] <TrevorDick> I have a good relationship with Steven Solie. Hyperion have a policy of not releasing information until a product or update is ready.
[17:50:06] <TrevorDick> BTW I am staying with Steven when I visit Cananda for AmiJam in September.
[17:50:10] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:50:11] <Kelli217> <pjsX1K> Any plans to support gfx card video decoders with the new RadeonHD drivers?
[17:51:02] <TrevorDick> One step at a time... lets get under OS4 first...already works fime on the A1-X1000 under linux.
[17:51:05] <TrevorDick> next question
[17:51:24] <TrevorDick> lets get 3D under OS4 first
[17:51:30] <Kelli217> Combined question: <PaulS> Will the PA Semi processors be phased out, and did you needed to switch to freescale because of PA Semi availability or price? <vox> AmiKit commented that if there is demand more X1000 batches will be made until Cyrus is ready. Since it will take 1-2 years to have Cyrus ready and fully supported, does A-EON considers this?
[17:52:23] <TrevorDick> PA Semi availability and price. There is no shortage of PA Semi CPU ..if you are willing to pay the price.
[17:53:14] <TrevorDick> The original project was based on a $500 CPU. We have paid anything from $600 to $1000 each since Apple closed the manufacture.
[17:54:30] <TrevorDick> We (AmigaKIt and myself) jointly subsidised the CPU price increase and did not pass these on to the customer.
[17:55:07] <TrevorDick> Yes we will build more Nemo boards id the demand continues and the CPU price is OK
[17:55:11] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:55:13] <Kelli217> <Derfs> do you have any future plans working with Hans de Ruiter after he did such a good job on the 2D drivers
[17:55:21] <TrevorDick> I hope so
[17:56:13] <TrevorDick> HObviously he is trying to build his own software business...but I am in fairly regular contact since we only live 40 mins apart.
[17:56:17] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:56:19] <Kelli217> <Derfs> your business seems to be aimed for Hardware, with a few software projects on the side, but all for AmigaOS. Are there any plans for anything a-eon does to include MorphOS or AROS support?
[17:56:47] <TrevorDick> I want to support all Amiga flavours.
[17:56:51] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:57:23] <Kelli217> <Ddni> Are there still loaner systems available for new developers?
[17:57:59] <TrevorDick> There are a couple of loaners systems currently available (a Sam440 & an A1-XE)
[17:58:02] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:58:12] <Kelli217> Combined: <AmigaSociety> Ask Trevor... When will Linux for X1000 DVD be done for download? <Rigo> Isn't there enough Linux distros for the X000 already? It's suposed to be an AmigaOS machine remember

[17:58:24] <TrevorDick> :-)
[17:59:02] <TrevorDick> The Live DVD will be available shortly ...just making a couple of tweaks.
[17:59:26] <TrevorDick> Yes there are emough Linux distribution on the A1-X1000
[17:59:33] <TrevorDick> Next question
[17:59:34] <Kelli217> Last one, another combo: <mbrantley> only ask my question if not already asked... Does driver development already done on Nemo in any way make driver development for Cyrus project shorter or easier? <vitux> the company that adquired Varysis, help the rapid development and delivery of Cyrus?
[18:00:49] <TrevorDick> Driver development .. for onboard drivers it helps because it gives the developer more experience. For plugin cards ..it means the OS4 drivers are done.
[18:01:16] <TrevorDick> The company that bought Varisys ?
[18:01:45] <TrevorDick> Not sure if that will affect their technical operation at all?
[18:01:50] <TrevorDick> One last question
[18:02:08] <TrevorDick> Next question and last one before I go
[18:02:28] <Kelli217> I don't have any remaining in my queue. You can go if you need to.
[18:02:36] <Valiant> Thanks for taking from your valuable time to be with us today, Trevor
[18:02:38] <TrevorDick> OK thanks
[18:02:53] <JimS> Indeed... thanks for visiting
[18:03:02] <TrevorDick> OK got to run
[18:03:05] <Kelli217> <alef> I gotta say I think we all appreciate the work of Steven Solie and all the rest of the coders. We wish you all luck in your hard work towards a better future for the NG Amiga
[18:03:19] <Kelli217> See, not a question.

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Autor:	Domanus [ niedziela, 14 lip 2013, 18:28 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Mufa napisał(a): Skoro jesteś nowy, to być może umknął Ci projekt amigowego netbooka, który miał kosztować 300 - 500$ (co ciekawe w ostatnim wywiadzie Solie ponownie kogoś sporstował twierdząc że projekt nie jest anulowany, tylko zawieszony). Słyszałem o tym projekcie i powiem wam, że osobiście cieszę się iż nie doszło do jego realizacji (przynajmniej nie w takiej formie). Dlaczego? Ano dlatego, że sprzęt ten był po prostu żałośnie słaby. Zresztą jak zapewne sami wiecie, w jednym z wywiadów Trevor stwierdził, że projekt amigowego netbooka został zarzucony ponieważ jego cena byłaby niewspółmiernie wysoka, w stosunku do jego możliwości. Należy również dodać, że w świecie PC wielu znanych producentów już jakiś czas temu wycofało się z produkcji netbooków na rzecz tabletów. Wszystko to powoduje, że produkt ten najzwyczajniej w świecie wystawiałby jego potencjalnych nabywców oraz całe nasze środowisko amigowe na pośmiewisko. Jeżeli już tworzyć projekt przenośnej Amigi One, to lepiej wyprodukować normalnego laptopa (lub ultrabooka) o możliwościach technicznych zbliżonych do nowych Cyrusów. Cena będzie wyższa ale i produkt znacznie lepszy. Inaczej w moim odczuciu jest to pozbawione sensu. Jeżeli natomiast chodzi o projekt budżetowego komputera, to mnie osobiście marzy się sprzęt typu "Amiga One X500" w obudowie ala Loriano, z dwurdzeniowym procesorem (jak w płytach Cyrus) i cenie nie przekraczającej wspomnianych 4,5 tysięcy PLN (zapomnij ). Trevor kiedyś coś o tym wspominał. Może Acube coś tu poradzi. Oby nowy sprzęt włochów (jeżeli takowy powstanie) również zawierał dwurdzeniowy procesor lub lepszy. Na dzień dzisiejszy jest to bowiem absolutne minimum. W świecie PC i MAC-ów mają już po 4 i 8 rdzeni (a nawet więcej).

Autor:	Mufa [ niedziela, 14 lip 2013, 19:10 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Domanus napisał(a): Słyszałem o tym projekcie .... Nie dubluj postów. Dla nowych użytkowników posty są moderowane, więc czasami musisz poczekać aż się ukażą na forum (czyli moderator znajdzie czas by tu zajrzeć i zaakceptować). Po 10 napisanych postach moderacja nie będzie Cię już dotyczyć, tak więc spokojnie

Autor:	Domanus [ niedziela, 14 lip 2013, 19:58 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Mufa napisał(a): Nie dubluj postów. Dla nowych użytkowników posty są moderowane, więc czasami musisz poczekać aż się ukażą na forum (czyli moderator znajdzie czas by tu zajrzeć i zaakceptować). Po 10 napisanych postach moderacja nie będzie Cię już dotyczyć, tak więc spokojnie Nie dubluję, zgubiłem "o" w słowie "osobiście" i poprawiłem. Ale spoko, dzięki

Autor:	Domanus [ niedziela, 14 lip 2013, 21:07 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
pizzadriver napisał(a): Dobra, ale jakie modele były kiedyś najbardziej popularne - A500/600/1200/CD32? Nemo czy Cyrus są z "kategorii" A2000/3000/4000 a te wtedy "trochę" kosztowały. Dlatego napisałem w nawiasie "(przynajmniej w przypadku małych modeli)", ale ok A tak, w ogóle to w latach 90-tych A2000 była, w sumie dość tania. Pamiętacie? O ile mnie pamięć nie myli to w roku 1994 jej cena wynosiła chyba coś koło 7,5 miliona ówczesnych złotych za nowy egzemplarz (750 PLN), przy przeciętnej polskiej pensji 5 milionów. Czyli całkiem nieźle (pomijając kwestię, że wtedy były już dostępne dość drogie A4000). Przenosząc to, w dzisiejsze realia (tzn. zakładając, że przeciętna polska pensja to ok. 2000zł, a cena komputera to jakieś 25-30% więcej) cena współczesnej dwutysiączki musiałaby wynieść coś pomiędzy 2500-2600 PLN, czyli całkiem nieźle.

Autor:	Mufa [ poniedziałek, 15 lip 2013, 08:24 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Domanus napisał(a): Dlatego napisałem w nawiasie "(przynajmniej w przypadku małych modeli)", ale ok A tak, w ogóle to w latach 90-tych A2000 była, w sumie dość tania. Pamiętacie? O ile mnie pamięć nie myli to w roku 1994 jej cena wynosiła chyba coś koło 7,5 miliona ówczesnych złotych za nowy egzemplarz (750 PLN), przy przeciętnej polskiej pensji 5 milionów. Czyli całkiem nieźle (pomijając kwestię, że wtedy były już dostępne dość drogie A4000). Przenosząc to, w dzisiejsze realia (tzn. zakładając, że przeciętna polska pensja to ok. 2000zł, a cena komputera to jakieś 25-30% więcej) cena współczesnej dwutysiączki musiałaby wynieść coś pomiędzy 2500-2600 PLN, czyli całkiem nieźle. Z tymi pensjami to trzeba uważać, bo pamięć bywa zawodna. Co do średniej krajowej to też jest problem bo zalicza się do nich zarówno pensje sprzątaczki jak i prezesa Orlenu. Piszesz że przeciętna pensja to dzisiaj 2000zł i pewnie masz rację, niemniej według wyliczeń GUSu jest to coś około 4000zł (powód patrz jak wyżej). Lepiej więc robić wyliczenia w stosunku do najniższej krajowej, do której wielu Polakom bliżej niż do oficjalnej średniej. Jak podaje wikipedia w 1994r najniższa krajowa to 195zł, zwykła A600 kosztowała koło 500zł. Jeszcze Ci powiem ciekawostkę że w ostatnim kwartale 1992r, kiedy to ja nabywałem gołą A500 bez modulatora TV i rozszerzenia RAMu wybuliłem 6 700 000, a najniższa krajowa to była 1 350 000. Fakt że to był szczyt cen na Amigi ECS, które potem zaczeły już tanieć. W pierwszym kwartale 1996r też niestety trafiłem na szczyt cenowy dla A1200, kiedy to wygłodniały rynek chłonął nowe dostawy z Escomu. Dałem 1500zł - najniższa płaca to 350zł. Cztery najniższe krajowe brutto trzeba było dać, dzisiaj AOne 500 kupisz za trzy najniższe. Reasumując wcale tak tanio nie było, tyle że realia do okoła były inne. Elektronika jako taka (w tym pecety) była droższa, zatem Amiga względem innych komputerów nie wydawała się tak droga jak dziś. Siła nabywcza przeciętnego Polaka też była niższa. W praktyce nie zmieniło się nic, nadal Polak musi pracować na nową Amigę mniej więcej tyle samo co w latach 90-tych. Problem jest tylko taki że kiedyś potrzebował czterech najniższych pensji by kupić Amigę i przynajmniej sześciu by kupić peceta. Dzisiaj potrzebuje jednej by kupić peceta, ale nadal czterech by kupić Amigę.

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Autor:	Domanus [ środa, 17 lip 2013, 20:36 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Mufa napisał(a): Z tymi pensjami to trzeba uważać, bo pamięć bywa zawodna. Co do średniej krajowej to też jest problem bo zalicza się do nich zarówno pensje sprzątaczki jak i prezesa Orlenu. Piszesz że przeciętna pensja to dzisiaj 2000zł i pewnie masz rację, niemniej według wyliczeń GUSu jest to coś około 4000zł (powód patrz jak wyżej). Lepiej więc robić wyliczenia w stosunku do najniższej krajowej, do której wielu Polakom bliżej niż do oficjalnej średniej.,, Dlatego napisałem "przeciętna pensja", zamiast "średnia krajowa" - nie obchodzą mnie kłamliwe i zawyżone wyliczenia GUSu. Te 2000 tysiaki zaokrągliłem, ponieważ znam wielu ludzi którzy zarabiają ok. 1500 PLN i znam takich co zarabiają 3000 PLN. Jeszcze więcej znam jednak ludzi, którzy zarabiają najniższą krajową, a najwięcej znam ludzi bezrobotnych. Celowo nie zrobiłem wyliczeń w stosunku do najniższej krajowej aby nie dobijać siebie i innych. Wtedy bowiem okaże się, że np. taka A1-X1000 kosztuje przeciętnego Polaka dziesięć pensji. Biorąc pod uwagę, że trzeba za coś żyć musiałby on odkładać na nią z dwa lata, ewentualnie wziąć kredyt pod zastaw mieszkania (lub też sprzedać nerkę ). Co do moich wyliczeń pensji z lat 90-tych - to wzorowałem się na informacjach przekazanych mi przez znajomego nauczyciela historii, a ten mógł przecież sobie dodawać i mnie wkręcać (byłem wtedy jeszcze uczniem). Pamiętam jednak, że posiadaczem mojej pierwszej Amigi (A600) stałem się na początku 1995 roku (styczeń lub luty), czyli dosyć późno. Kupił mi ją mój ojciec, za swoje ciężko zarobione pieniądze. Był to sprzęt lekko używany (1 rok) jednak w idealnym stanie. Zapłacił za nią ok 700 zł. Właściciel dorzucił w zestawie dwa joye i kilkadziesiąt dyskietek. Cena nowego egzemplarza w lokalnym sklepie wynosiła coś ok 900-1000zł. Pensja mojego taty wahała się wtedy coś pomiędzy 300-500 zł - teraz już nie pamiętam. Jak sam zauważyłeś pamięć bywa zawodna. Dlatego napisałem "o ile mnie pamięć nie myli". Pamiętajmy jednak, że w tamtych czasach przeciętna pensja w Polsce, w porównaniu do bogatego zachodu była powiedzmy dziesięć razy mniejsza (a nawet więcej), z kolei dziś jest już "tylko" 4-5 razy mniejsza. Powoduje to, że Amigi z tamtych lat wcale nie były aż takie drogie. Były drogie dla nas, ale nie dla Amerykanina, Anglika czy nawet Francuza. Natomiast X1000 jest droga zarówno dla nas jak i dla przeciętnych fanów Amigi ze wspomnianego bogatego zachodu.

Autor:	pizzadriver [ sobota, 20 lip 2013, 10:30 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Cytuj: http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?m=201307 While the AmigaONE X1000 remains A-EON's flagship product, we were also there to see the latest prototype of a new motherboard that we had commissioned Varisys to design. The new board, codenamed Cyrus Plus, will be an eventual replacement for the Nemo board. The revision 2.0 prototype contains a Freescale P5020 CPU which is a 2 GHz, 64-bit dual-core PowerPC SoC. The Cyrus Plus board will also accept the new P5040 when it becomes commercially available in greater volume. This is a 64-bit quad-core PowerPC Freescale CPU which operates up to 2.4 GHz. As with Nemo, the new board will now undergo a rigorous testing phase before a small batch is produced for developers. Cyrus Plus Motherboard Once that process is complete an additional batch of boards will be manufactured for a reduced beta test programme, which all being well will commence towards the end of this year. The first Cyrus prototype board was completed at the end of last year. It's replacement, the Cyrus Plus 2.0 was delivered to Varisys just two days prior to the show and both prototype boards were on display at the Silicon Dreams show along with black and white versions of the AmigaONE X1000. Who said PowerPC was dead? 1200 x 830 pikseli: http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/CyrusPlus.jpg - ze 100tys na stole leży http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/varisys.jpg

Autor:	amig_os [ sobota, 20 lip 2013, 19:09 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
pizzadriver napisał(a): ze 100tys na stole leży http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/varisys.jpg Płyty są wykonanie perfekcyjnie, świetny wielowarstwowy laminat, tantalowe kondensatory, markowe złącza ... etc. Naprawdę warto "zacisnąć pasa" i za kilka miesięcy sprawić sobie AmigaOne X1000 lub Cyrusa+. Dorzucić do tego markowy zasilacz oraz porządnego RadeonaHD 4/5/6/7xxx.

Autor:	TomK [ sobota, 20 lip 2013, 21:17 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Zdjęcie aktualne? Czyli nowa partia już gotowa?

Autor:	amig_os [ sobota, 20 lip 2013, 23:24 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
TomK napisał(a): Zdjęcie aktualne? Czyli nowa partia już gotowa? Pewnie tak, zdjęcie pochodzi z najnowszego bloga Trevora.

Autor:	pizzadriver [ niedziela, 21 lip 2013, 07:25 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
TomK napisał(a): Zdjęcie aktualne? Czyli nowa partia już gotowa? Trzecia partia gotowa Cytuj: http://www.amigans.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1901 We are pleased to confirm that the third consumer batch of AmigaOne X1000 "First Contact" has started to arrive with us this week from Varisys. We ask all remaining outstanding customers who have registered interest with us to Checkout here in order to not miss out. Thank you for your patience whilst the new batch was being manufactured and quality tested. Important: Some customer email addresses have since expired or bounced back when we have tried to contact, please make contact with us if you have not received an email. We will try emailing twice before removing you from the list. There will be some new driver updates installed on the latest systems as software development has been on-going in the meantime. http://www.amigakit.com/x1000

Autor:	pizzadriver [ wtorek, 23 lip 2013, 07:38 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
chat z Trevorem Cytuj: [16:59:24] ŤModeť Kelli217 changes channel modes to moderated [16:59:26] <Kelli217> Welcome to yet another Amigans of Note Q&A here in the Team*Amiga chat. [16:59:57] <Kelli217> Today, we have Trevor Dickinson of A-EON. [17:00:59] <Kelli217> He should be joining us any second now... [17:01:20] --> TrevorDick (~TrevorD@222-153-147-228.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined this channel. [17:01:47] <Valiant> Welcome, Trevor [17:01:51] <Kelli217> There he is! Trevor, please say a few rods, and then we'll start in with the questions. [17:02:18] <JimS> welcom [17:02:29] <Kelli217> words, not rods [17:02:43] ŤVoiceť Kelli217 gives voice to TrevorDick [17:02:46] <TrevorDick> I thought I would have to cancel because of the earthqukes ..so if I suddenly disappeare [17:03:40] <TrevorDick> OK I'm already to go - first question please [17:03:48] <Kelli217> Sorry, I was a bit slow giving you voice... [17:04:04] <Kelli217> Okay, first question: <bike> Can you tell us what the expected price is for the AmigaOne x2000 aka Cyrus? [17:04:56] <TrevorDick> Good question..it is so early in the development cycle to provide an answer. [17:05:13] <TrevorDick> If you followed the Nemo development you will know what I mean. [17:05:55] <TrevorDick> Although we hope the 2Ghx model will come in under the A1-X1000 pricining, there is no guarantee [17:05:59] <TrevorDick> next question [17:06:15] <Kelli217> <bike> Can you tell us about the differences between the freescale 5020 and 5040 cpu? And in what kind of a process was that cpu chosen over others? [17:06:48] <TrevorDick> bothe Freescale CPUs from the same stable [17:07:14] <TrevorDick> 5020 Freescale have comitted to a long term 10 year support [17:07:42] <TrevorDick> Price & performance a consideration [17:08:44] <TrevorDick> 5020 dual core, 5040 quad core but price and real availability still an unknown [17:08:53] <TrevorDick> next question [17:09:22] <Kelli217> Ok, everybody hold off on your questions, we have a serious backlog already. The next question is... [17:09:38] <Kelli217> <bike> Will it be a complete system as the x1000 or available as a DIY, motherboard only? [17:10:22] <TrevorDick> As I said very early in the development cycle.. I prefer complete systems, Matthew prefers both boards and systems. [17:10:26] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:10:53] <Kelli217> <bike> What are the requirements to enter the beta program? [17:11:20] <TrevorDick> Again too early ... do I sound like a broken record? [17:11:24] <TrevorDick> next question [17:11:29] <Kelli217> <bike> Anything more you can tell us that is not already known about the project, differences in the xena/xmos for instance. What does the fpga do? [17:12:05] <TrevorDick> All I can say is it will have a Xena/Xorro combination. [17:12:08] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:13:02] <Kelli217> Combined question: <bike> What is the current state of AmigaOS4.2 with regards to supporting the X2000? <vox> Do you expect AmigaOS 4.2 and OpenOffice and Timberwolf ports to be done by the time Cyrus will be availiable? [17:13:46] <TrevorDick> Your questions should be really directed to Hyperiion with regards to AmigaOS 4.2 [17:14:26] <TrevorDick> We want 4.2 for the AmigaONE X1000 - it is currently be used to develope the code. [17:15:20] <TrevorDick> I presume you mean Libre Office? That is an A-EON funded project and timescales depend on the developers main OS4 workload [17:15:38] <TrevorDick> Timberwolf is not one of our projects at the moment [17:15:41] <TrevorDick> next question [17:16:09] <Kelli217> Humorous question: <bike> On the Cyrus board theres the text - " BOOT SD REMOVE AT THE RISK OF DEATH " - Will this be used a sales pitch? [17:16:18] <TrevorDick> :-) [17:17:11] <TrevorDick> It was actually quite funny...the engineers placed that on the board but the Varisys director's did not know until they showed us the board a week or so ago. [17:17:40] <TrevorDick> I thought it was funny ...I'm not sure Adam and Paul were that amused? [17:17:43] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:17:45] <Kelli217> <vox> New board will set limit up to 16GB DDR3 RAM (X1000 has 8GB limit?) Do you expect AmigaOS to be able to use this kind of possibility? [17:18:21] <TrevorDick> Again a question for Hyperion & AmigaOS 4 developers.. but I certainly hope so. [17:18:25] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:18:47] <Kelli217> Hmm... the next question in my queue is related to that, so I'll skip it... just a moment [17:19:16] <Kelli217> <vox> Is Cyrus Freescale CPU new ISA previously announced to be supported in AmigaOS 4.2? [17:19:36] <TrevorDick> As with the Nemo board there are a few Easter eggs on the Cyrus Plus board BTW [17:19:47] <TrevorDick> yes [17:19:51] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:19:56] <Kelli217> <vox> e) Will there be more modern XMOS chip onboard (they have recently announced their quad cores, kind of) and what kind of uses do you expect? Will it ever be possible to add more programmable, DSP like, FPGA or similar chips via XORRO? [17:20:53] <TrevorDick> All good questions. We are now turning our focus to Xena and Xorro issues. Expect some news in the near future... but not 2 more weeks [17:21:05] <TrevorDick> next question [17:21:33] <Kelli217> <vox> Since its expected that X2000/4000 will be available longer then X1000 (primarily the CPU choice of PA Semi in past) will we have longer and better PR campaign of "return of AmigaOne top model", and everything that looks like started back in 2010, but not done well enough [17:22:35] <TrevorDick> Ah.... if you are asking will we be marketing to the wider Computer world no [17:22:39] <TrevorDick> next question [17:22:43] <Kelli217> <vox> Now with a great driver, can we have onboard 7.1 sound as standard? [17:23:05] <TrevorDick> Depends on the hardware. [17:23:09] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:24:37] <Kelli217> eliyahu TrevorDick: glad to hear everyone in your family in NZ is safe. could you comment on the current state of the contracted W3D drivers? have the friedens already supplied you and/or other testers with initial builds already? [17:25:15] <TrevorDick> Thanks. We had hoped that we would have had a demo running at the Silicon Dreams show. [17:26:06] <TrevorDick> Of course this is not an official Hyperion development but a A-EON paid development with the developer. It has proved more difficult than first anticipated. [17:26:39] <TrevorDick> However, it has helped the Gallium development ..so I suppose that's a bonus for AmigaOS4.2. [17:27:04] <TrevorDick> Again, the devleoper works on this in his spare time when he is not on OS4 work. [17:27:13] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:27:14] <Kelli217> <Derfs> so how is the plan for an AmigaOS Laptop coming along! [17:27:40] <TrevorDick> Interesting question! [17:27:59] <TrevorDick> Discussions are ongoing... Watch this space. [17:28:03] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:28:11] <Kelli217> This is probably a Hyperion-focused question, but: <vox> Will Cyrus be fully supported (all onboard components, 3D graphic, 2 or 4 cores) by AmigaOS 4.2? [17:28:54] <TrevorDick> Yes, you are right it is a developer question..but I would certainly hope so. [17:28:59] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:29:06] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> on the subject of libreoffice, can you share what quality requirements the port would have to meet prior to release, such as performance metrics, use of native UI gadgets, etc.? any new progress to report? [17:30:25] <TrevorDick> Fo me it would have to be stable and reliable....otherwise it would not be of much use. We get a weekly update from the developer ... he is squashing bugs! [17:30:29] <TrevorDick> next question [17:30:31] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> there have been a great many claims made by roberto dohnert, purveyor of the os/4 openlinux distro, one of which was that he was dealing with you on possible resale opportunities, porting his distro to the X1000, etc. could you comment on what, if any, dealings you have had with mr. dohnert and what plans, if any, you have made with him? [17:31:26] <TrevorDick> Yes I have been in contact with Roberto. My interest is simply a custom built easy to install Linux distro for the AmigaONE X1000. [17:31:46] <TrevorDick> I spotted and bloed about the OS4 Linux last year. [17:33:07] <TrevorDick> However, since we first spoke.. our own team of AmigaONE X1000 specialists have now created a very simple Live DVD install for the A1-X1000 which is as easy as installing Linux to a PC. [17:33:25] <TrevorDick> The latest improvement even sets up the Boot menu. [17:33:32] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:33:34] <Kelli217> <Derfs> do all your future plans involve mid to high end hardware, or are you looking at other hardware projects like accelerators, fpga etc? [17:34:15] <TrevorDick> Good question. We are looking at other developments for both the next-gen and classic markets...both hardware and software.. [17:34:38] <TrevorDick> actually it more than looking we are working on several projects at the moment. [17:34:42] <TrevorDick> next question [17:34:50] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> does A-EON plan at any time to introduce a smaller-factor motherboard, such as the original cyrus layout? [17:36:16] <TrevorDick> We are keeping our options open ,, unfortnately the smaller factor board did not really reduce the cost of manufacture very much ..especially when you factor in NRE [17:36:38] <TrevorDick> So we decided to concentrate on the larger board for the timebeing. [17:36:48] <TrevorDick> What the future brings....... ? [17:36:51] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:36:53] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> does A-EON plan on partnering with acube systems at some point on joint hardware production? [17:37:40] <TrevorDick> We are currently in discussions with ACube about potentioal future collaboration. [17:37:43] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:38:00] <Kelli217> EVERYONE: We have MORE than enough questions to complete the hour. Please, no more questions. <eliyahu> does A-EON plan on being at amiwest this year, and do you plan to demo cyrus and/or development builds of AOS running on it? [17:38:50] <TrevorDick> Yes we will be at AmiWest and I hope Matthew ill be bring AmigaONE X1000 systems to sell. [17:39:10] <TrevorDick> We will also bring along the prototype Cyrus boards for a look and see. [17:39:13] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:39:14] <Kelli217> <eliyahu> lastly, a personal question: has your experiences over the past few years bringing the X1000 to market, and continuing to invest in the amiga platform changed your view of the amiga community? would you say you still enjoy the amiga as a hobby more, less, or about the same as you once did? [17:39:31] <TrevorDick> Difficult question to answer. [17:40:14] <TrevorDick> I enjoy meeting and talking to fellow Amiga enthusiasts whatever the colour of their OS [17:40:49] <TrevorDick> I learned to grow a thicker skin and not to react to all the comments [17:40:59] <TrevorDick> do I still enjoy it? [17:41:01] <TrevorDick> Yes [17:41:07] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:41:07] <Kelli217> <Derfs> can you tell us a bit more details about Cyrus - how many PCIe, PCI, USB, 10Gb ethernet? how fast the PCIe slots are? sound provided by external card? [17:41:57] <TrevorDick> The Cyrus specs will change as we go through the prototype stages and revisions. [17:42:37] <TrevorDick> We took a concious decision a while back to provide sound with a PCI or PCIe card. [17:42:48] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:42:51] <Kelli217> <PaulS> can you give an indication of how many boards/machines are out there already? [17:43:17] <TrevorDick> I've recently answered this question in another interview. [17:43:36] <TrevorDick> For the A1-X1000 more than 200, less than 2000 [17:45:57] <TrevorDick> next question [17:46:00] <Kelli217> <stinger> Between hardware makers and OS developers (A-EON/Hyperion), who's responsible for hardware drivers? [17:46:55] <TrevorDick> With the A1-X1000 originally it was Hyperion. However, the hardware manufacturers are now taking on this responsibility. [17:46:58] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:47:02] <Kelli217> <Ddni> Warp3D what stage are we at? Gallium 3D what stage are we at? [17:47:54] <TrevorDick> Gallium 3D ...Hyperion questions.. warp3D works under debug mode but slow....debugging continuing. [17:47:58] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:48:06] <Kelli217> Here's a more light-hearted question: <Ddni> do you actually like the B52s music? [17:48:27] <TrevorDick> ah...........can I say no...runs and hides [17:48:31] <TrevorDick> next question [17:48:32] <Kelli217> <Ddni> ssolie answered a lot of questions by saying That is an Aeon issue ask them, you have answered a few stating That is a Hyperion question ask them. Is the relationship so tense that you wont comment on each others projects? [17:49:30] <TrevorDick> I have a good relationship with Steven Solie. Hyperion have a policy of not releasing information until a product or update is ready. [17:50:06] <TrevorDick> BTW I am staying with Steven when I visit Cananda for AmiJam in September. [17:50:10] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:50:11] <Kelli217> <pjsX1K> Any plans to support gfx card video decoders with the new RadeonHD drivers? [17:51:02] <TrevorDick> One step at a time... lets get under OS4 first...already works fime on the A1-X1000 under linux. [17:51:05] <TrevorDick> next question [17:51:24] <TrevorDick> lets get 3D under OS4 first [17:51:30] <Kelli217> Combined question: <PaulS> Will the PA Semi processors be phased out, and did you needed to switch to freescale because of PA Semi availability or price? <vox> AmiKit commented that if there is demand more X1000 batches will be made until Cyrus is ready. Since it will take 1-2 years to have Cyrus ready and fully supported, does A-EON considers this? [17:52:23] <TrevorDick> PA Semi availability and price. There is no shortage of PA Semi CPU ..if you are willing to pay the price. [17:53:14] <TrevorDick> The original project was based on a $500 CPU. We have paid anything from $600 to $1000 each since Apple closed the manufacture. [17:54:30] <TrevorDick> We (AmigaKIt and myself) jointly subsidised the CPU price increase and did not pass these on to the customer. [17:55:07] <TrevorDick> Yes we will build more Nemo boards id the demand continues and the CPU price is OK [17:55:11] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:55:13] <Kelli217> <Derfs> do you have any future plans working with Hans de Ruiter after he did such a good job on the 2D drivers [17:55:21] <TrevorDick> I hope so [17:56:13] <TrevorDick> HObviously he is trying to build his own software business...but I am in fairly regular contact since we only live 40 mins apart. [17:56:17] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:56:19] <Kelli217> <Derfs> your business seems to be aimed for Hardware, with a few software projects on the side, but all for AmigaOS. Are there any plans for anything a-eon does to include MorphOS or AROS support? [17:56:47] <TrevorDick> I want to support all Amiga flavours. [17:56:51] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:57:23] <Kelli217> <Ddni> Are there still loaner systems available for new developers? [17:57:59] <TrevorDick> There are a couple of loaners systems currently available (a Sam440 & an A1-XE) [17:58:02] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:58:12] <Kelli217> Combined: <AmigaSociety> Ask Trevor... When will Linux for X1000 DVD be done for download? <Rigo> Isn't there enough Linux distros for the X000 already? It's suposed to be an AmigaOS machine remember [17:58:24] <TrevorDick> :-) [17:59:02] <TrevorDick> The Live DVD will be available shortly ...just making a couple of tweaks. [17:59:26] <TrevorDick> Yes there are emough Linux distribution on the A1-X1000 [17:59:33] <TrevorDick> Next question [17:59:34] <Kelli217> Last one, another combo: <mbrantley> only ask my question if not already asked... Does driver development already done on Nemo in any way make driver development for Cyrus project shorter or easier? <vitux> the company that adquired Varysis, help the rapid development and delivery of Cyrus? [18:00:49] <TrevorDick> Driver development .. for onboard drivers it helps because it gives the developer more experience. For plugin cards ..it means the OS4 drivers are done. [18:01:16] <TrevorDick> The company that bought Varisys ? [18:01:45] <TrevorDick> Not sure if that will affect their technical operation at all? [18:01:50] <TrevorDick> One last question [18:02:08] <TrevorDick> Next question and last one before I go [18:02:28] <Kelli217> I don't have any remaining in my queue. You can go if you need to. [18:02:36] <Valiant> Thanks for taking from your valuable time to be with us today, Trevor [18:02:38] <TrevorDick> OK thanks [18:02:53] <JimS> Indeed... thanks for visiting [18:03:02] <TrevorDick> OK got to run [18:03:05] <Kelli217> <alef> I gotta say I think we all appreciate the work of Steven Solie and all the rest of the coders. We wish you all luck in your hard work towards a better future for the NG Amiga [18:03:19] <Kelli217> See, not a question. http://www.intuitionbase.com/trevor_irclog.txt

Autor:	pizzadriver [ piątek, 26 lip 2013, 14:55 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Interview with Trevor Dickinson: http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwdickinson2_en.php Cyrus Plus prototype: http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/cyrusplus_prototype.jpg Cyrus revision 1.0: http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/cyrus_prototype1.jpg Cyrus Plus revision 2.0: http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/cyrusplus_prototype2.jpg

Autor:	Radek Cz [ piątek, 26 lip 2013, 16:04 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Z tego co pisał TD na czacie, jest za wcześnie o staranie się o "betasprawdzacza" dla Cyrusów, ale wcześniej czy później będą chcieli tychże zwerbować. W związku z tym i jeszcze z tym że mam chęć kupić wkońcu jakąś nową Amigę, mam kilka pytań. Altivec - w jakim stopniu jest on wykorzystywany w tej chwili w X1000? Wiem że ma potencjał, ale mi chodzi o to czy i jak dużo jest eksploatowany w tym momencie przez system, programy, gry itd. Czy większa moc nowych procków w każdej sytuacji zadośćuczyni brakowi altiveca? Czy cena samej płyty X1000 dla betatestrów była znacząco niższa, niż mogłaby być gdyby sprzedawali ją oddzielnie teraz? Oczywiście sam fakt możności kupienia samemu reszty komputera już w znacznym stopniu obniży koszt całości. Czy ktoś się pokusił/pokusi o policzenie niezbędnych kosztów kart graficznych, budy, zasilacza itp. Chodzi mi o przedstawienie w przybliżeniu całościowego kosztu nowej Ami i dodatkowe zmotywowanie siebie do zdobycia kasy. Oczywiście wiem że cena płyty nie jest znana, ale może to być "X" który później dodam do ceny reszty gratów. Ostatnia rzecz, w jakim sopniu AEON/Hyperion/ACUBE są skłonni do przyjmowania ludzi "znikąd" jako betatesterów. Czy raczej wolą ludzi, którzy pną się wolno przez wszystkie szczeble Ami-sprzętu? Macie jakieś spostrzeżenia na ten temat, czy widać dopływ świeżaków przy okazji pojawiania się nowego sprzętu, czy wciąż są te same "gęby"? Pytam bo nie wiem czy się napalać czy nie ;p.

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Autor:	Mufa [ piątek, 26 lip 2013, 21:54 ]
Tytuł:	Re: Czy jesteś zainteresowany nowym modelem Amigi [Cyrus]?
Odpowiedź dałem w zamkniętej części forum, bo nie wiem czy aby nie za bardzo zdradzam betatesterskiej kuchni